THE SCARLET BEAST

The leopard-bear-lion beast and scarlet beast would seem to be different aspects of the same subject. The leopard-bear-lion acquaints us with the physical and historical realities of the succession of satanic kingdoms that brought mankind to this, Daniel's, "time of the end". While the scarlet beast appears to be a picture of satan's influence over the spiritual condition of mankind over the same period. Tempting man toward the things of this world, diverting us from the world to come. Like the red dragon of chapter 10, the scarlet color of this beast is indicative of Satan.

This section on the scarlet beast would seem the sum of Satan's work on earth in his successive kingdoms, from Egypt through the Islamic Second Jihad. With the 7th head/mountain being the 7th and 8th "beasts" of the first and second Islamic Jihad. With the apostate church's role included. Daniel defined beasts for us: Daniel 7:2 3 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth,...

Revelation 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:

Angels are messengers. The waters are people, tongues and nations we later learn in verse 15. The great whore perhaps mammon and the things of this world. May also be the apostate church, lost in the tradition of men making the word of God of none effect, just like the Pharisees.

These would seem to be the kings of the successive world empires or seven heads, and their worldly material goods, money, growth, greed. Today, oil driven economies and governments, with inhabitants of the world entirely dependent on oil, and nation-states willing to do whatever it takes to continue the supply to power the production of their luxuries. Like the U.S. fornicating with Saudi Arabia the "beheading capital of the world" to secure our oil supply. Throughout man's history wars have been fought and moral and ethical compromises made over wealth, resources, and material goods.

Considering the definitions below, examples might be past popes that were responsible for the murder of millions - including Christians and Jews - or even today those prominent names in the ecumenical "church" that portray reprobate behavior as Godly, or preach that all roads lead to heaven. Though not part of the church, the most serious blasphemy to Christians is the most important fundamental of Islam - shirk - expressed as God has no Son. A connection could be their claim to be part of the Abramic faith, yet being the direct opposite, as was their prophet, and their direct blasphemy of God and His son. They also renamed the "I AM", Allah.

Seven heads, or empires, ruled the Middle East and oppressed God's people - Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, the Roman Empire, and the Islamic Empire as the last, and as the head that was "wounded to death" (Battle of Tours - marked the death of the First Jihad) - but was healed by Western wealth transfer through oil purchase financing the Second Jihad in the image of the First Jihad.

Maintaining an ethnographic view and confining the prophecy to the middle east might indicate ten Islamic Jihad leaders as the ten horns - perhaps both government and terrorist - as they are intertwined strategically and financially.

The ten horns of the LBL beast - or the historical portrait beast - are thought by bible scholars to be the roughly 10 nations that the old Roman Empire eventually divided into. The 10 horns of the scarlet beast are perhaps a summary thereof, as a global end-time government, since later in this passage we learn they are gathered together and share power for "an hour" sometime in John's future.

An intriguing possibility to fill this bill is the Club of Rome. Formed in 1968 (year after the "times of the Gentiles" in Jerusalem were fulfilled) as the spawn of the CFR, or Council on Foreign Relations - America's shadow government for the last almost 100 years, they divided the world into 10 what they labeled "kingdoms". Today they toil away on such things as their "Regionalized and Adaptive Model of the Global World System".

Empowered through past executive orders, in an "emergency", U.S. state boundaries are replaced by Federal regions (determined decades ago) and local governments are operated by FEMA.

Revelation 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

The apostate church is fornicating in increasing conformity to this fleshly world. The woman's array suggests church robes and the rest perhaps suggesting objects of veneration in church buildings. May also allude to the attractive nature of the material wealth of the world.

However, the most conspicuous single abomination of the earth, in evidence for over1300 years, is the Islamic mosque the Dome of the Rock - THE abomination of desolation - as prophesied in Daniel, Matthew, Mark and John, the symbol of the Islamic spiritual desolation of Jerusalem. The Islamic desolation continues even today on the temple mount, as Jews and Christians are prohibited from praying or carrying "holy objects", such as bibles, onto it. The founding verses and mosaic inscriptions, both inside and out, on the Dome of the Rock abomination read: "Far be it from His [God's] transcendent majesty that He should have a Son". This is the spirit of antichrist.

The Crusaders were so enamoured by it's beauty that they couldn't destroy it. But then perhaps God didn't have them destroy it because we would be left without this symbol of Islamic desolation in evidence today.

Revelation 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

This would seem include a reference to Old Testament saints and Christian era martyrs, killed by the apostate church. Though hardly considered a church, since Islam lays claim to the Abramic faith this may include the 1300 years of Islamic murder of Christians and Jews, as they continue to murder and for the mostpart hate - particularly Jews - all over the world today. It is my online experience that today's preterists and Orthodox aren't far behind in this regard. Perhaps the apostate church regards all worship of any gods including polythiests, idol worshippers, etc.

Revelation 17:7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

The scarlet beast is Satan and the sum of his kingdoms, today in his peak power on earth. He gained these kingdoms at Adam's fall, and later offered them to Jesus - but Jesus didn't take the bait - however he never contested Satan's ownership. The scarlet beast carries the harlot, and today churches increasingly strive to conform to the world, or "modernize", in order to attract parishoners.

The beast that "was" - Greece being the last in the succession of kingdoms - perhaps the sum of them - before John - and "is not", with the Roman Empire being the "is" beast to John. The beast "shall ascend" (in John's future).

and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Parallel to chapter 13 the whole world wonders after the beast. Indeed virtually everyone in John's whole world - the Middle East - where we find Satan's seat that he gave to the leopard-bear-lion beast - the Islamic Empire - along with his power and great authority, as per chapter 13, wonders after the beast. Most everyone in John's whole world has the mark of the beast - TODAY. Life has become intolerable for Christians and Jews in the areas outside of Israel.

Even a non-ethnographic view is impressive with the whole literal world wondering after this manifestation of Satan's power, since he was loosed from his prison. A world at the mercy of leopard-bear-lion oil. With the irony of Western wealth healing the beast's wound, and financing the growth of the Islamic Empire around the world, as a result.

The seven heads are the successive kingdoms. The term mountain is used elsewhere in scripture to represent a kingdom or empire. Indeed mountain slopes are quite descriptive of the ascent to their peaks, and then fall, of empires.

Some suggest that this is the Catholic Church because Rome is the city of seven hills, and perhaps in light of the Papal killing of reformation Christians, as well as their misunderstanding of authority in the church, but the subject of this harlot may be a little broader.

The KJV translators favored mountain over hill, though Strong's term 3735 oros {or'-os} is defined as mountain or hill. Mountains as kingdoms is more consistent with "heads", and our ethnographic view, and John's 8 successive kingdom beasts. Satan sometimes ruled through the power of the apostate church, burning folks at the stake, etc.

Perhaps the mother of harlots - the woman - sitteth on Satan's kingdoms and has lured men to their destruction since our beginnings through her material and fleshly attractions, and away from the things of God.

Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece [was] perhaps as the sum of prior kingdoms, the Roman Empire [is] to John, the Islamic First Jihad [not yet come] conquered the Roman Empire and came for the "short space" of 152 years to its peak. Islamic power then ebbed until Western wealth transfer healed the beast, as Satan was loosed from his prison, at the beginning of this "time of the end". Satan ascended from the pit of hell ruling through the Second Jihad, in the image of the First Jihad.

All Muslims are in Jihad until such time as the world is ruled under Islamic Sharia law. All above kingdoms were a succession of satanically controlled reigns that oppressed God's people.

This eighth beast "was" (kingdoms that preceeded the Roman Empire) and "is not" (so the 8th "is not" the Roman Empire either) is the eighth, and is of the seven. This is the final Satanically controlled end-time empire. The most powerful of them as evidenced by the Middle East maps below and the Islamic influence around the world today. The eighth is of the seven, and perhaps of the seventh. The Second Jihad in the image of the First Jihad. The Greek word is translated as "seventh" on one other occasion in the KJV.

"….. it is said, five of the seven Kings are fallen, and one is, and another is not yet come; and the Beast that was and is not, being wounded to death with a sword, he is the eighth, and of the seven: he was therefore a collateral part of the seventh." - Isaac Newton

Revelation 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, [and] the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

Roman Empire is John's 6th king. This is John's "is" king that is displaced by the 7th, and then 8th beast. The Roman empire was also Daniel's 4th "terrible" beast, that is not part of the body of the leopard-bear-lion beast of Revelation 13 (above).

Islamic First Jihad (link to map source) John's 7th king. Islam composes the 7th head of the LBL and scarlet beasts. The Islamic Empire conquered the Roman Empire as John's king that had "not yet come". Mortally wounded at the Battle of Tours, the Islamic First Jihad had ruled for the "short space" of 152 years, pinned by Daniel's 1335 "days", followed later by the Islamic Second Jihad that continues to rule the Middle East today, as the second map below shows. The Muslims continuously possessed the land throughout the period.

Islamic Second Jihad (link to map source) This is the 8th or scarlet beast. The last in the succession of Satan's kingdoms. Empowered by the dragon - Satan - Islam is at the power center of even our global economy.

The eighth beast is the Islamic Second Jihad, in the image of the First Jihad. Western powers - the two-horned beast - financed and thereby empowered this final end-time foe of God's people.

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Zechariah 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Ethnographically these ten horns could be Islamic leaders both government and the terrorist groups they support. They have ultimate power over the whole literal world today, let alone the Middle East. They could stop the world tomorrow if they simply demanded payment for oil in gold, thereby effectively pointing their finger at the multinational global banking emperor's "new clothes". Gold and silver are the only Koranic money. Paper is the money of infidels.

The Club of Rome as the shadow global government is a fair enough fit for the ten horns, having divided the world into ten what they called "kingdoms" when this organization was founded in 1968. The ten horns/kings receive power as kings with the beast for one hour, or a little over 15 days if the day = year language of prophecy is meant. If the 15 days of their power began 15 days ago, Jesus could return today. John's whole "world" is already marked by the Islamic beast.

Bear in mind, not receiving a "kingdom as yet" only necessarily means, that these kings had not received power as of the time that John was writing in about 95 AD, but that still pretty much kills any view that these ten horns preceeded John's writing. Also the word "shall" being used in the next verse confirms the future tense to John's writing.

The one mind in Islam is of course the Quran and their prophet Mohammed. United in the spirit of antichrist. Islam is the primary final component - the 7th head - of the scarlet beast - Satan's kingdoms and rule on this earth. The dragon - Satan - gives his power to Islam, and the Jihadists give the Islamic beast their power and strength.

The one mind could be the the Club of Rome/CFR/Bilderbergers, Club of Rome being a think-tank/spawn of the CFR. The modern global community, giving their power to the beast through oil purchase. Visit their website, then Yahoo these organizations.

The Harlot leads rulers and people to do anything that it takes to keep their economies going. Why else would the U.S. call a country like Saudi Arabia - the Christian beheading capital of the world - the most radical and fundamental Islamic killers in the world - our friends? We transfer billions there in oil purchase and they spend 10 billion per year - in the U.S. alone - setting up Islamic centers and mosques, also paying these same mosques for each "convert". The horns are also financing Islamic expansion around the world, as Satan's final kingdom.

Revelation 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him [are] called, and chosen, and faithful.

Satanic kingdoms have throughout time, and Islamic Jihadists have for 1300 years - and continue to - make war with the Lamb. Islam has been at war specifically against the Lamb of God since its inception. At war against the "people of the book", the Christians and Jews. Indeed at war agaiinst the whole non-Islamic world.

"The Jews call 'Uzair a son of God, and the Christians call Christ the Son of God. That is a saying from their mouth; (In this) they but imitate what the Unbelievers of old used to say. God's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth! (Surah 9.30)

Founding verses of the Dome of the Rock: "O you People of the Book, overstep not bounds in your religion, and of God speak only the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, is only an apostle of God, and his Word which he conveyed unto Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from him. Believe therefore in God and his apostles, and say not Three. It will be better for you. God is only one God. Far be it from His transcendent majesty that he should have a son."

Muslim Jihadists hate the Western way of life, free markets, and particularly our Western lust for the things of this world. Western wealth and greed. They feel obligated to hate all of the things that most of the rest of the non-Islamic world - the infidels - take pleasure in. They even hate music. Again a good read is "Infidel". Also they hate many of the things that Christians also hate, from fornication and sexual immorality and such, that much of the world, Hollywood, and the elite in particular, lust after and even celebrate. They hate the lamb and even the apostate church, because they are not of Islam.

The Club of Rome could still fit here, because the ones that are Godless there cannot discern the difference between a church, or the harlot as the apostate church. They hate the whole concept of God.

Ethnographically Jihadists have as their primary ambition, to make the material/fleshly whore desolate by destroying the Western economy and our way of life. They believe that cataclysmic global chaos and bloodshed are necessary conditions to usher in their Mahdi, or Messiah, and they want to help matters along. Again they fill the bill well.

This website discusses fulfilled prophecy, but making the whore naked is interesting to contemplate. Let's explore a present global vulnerability that could result in making the whore, this great global economic/flesh and self-centered Babylon, naked. If the Middle East oil producter decided to demand payment for oil in gold (gold and silver being the only money in Islam) the world would discover in a day, that the paper and digital 20th century fraud that the global populous has been trained to believe is "money", actually isn't. Money has become a 20th century central banking hoax, that is today global in scope. The love of money, the root of all evil, could turn into the hate of phony money, overnight. No civilization in the history of the world has survived phony money. It's unlikely that we will be the first. More on money.

The kings of the Club of Rome, were they the horns, could short-sell the market and profit the way the elites did in 1929, and cause economic collapse, and perhaps money could still stand, though I don't know how but by transcending into a purely digital object of fiction.

The Jiahdists would seem to be in the driver's seat in this verse since the Club of Rome would likely not have an ambition for global failure, even though their ambition is global power.

The whore's flesh could be the things of this world that folks spend their money on, and invest their money in. Invested in China despite their record on human rights, for example. Following a collapse in money the value of assets, except perhaps guns, would virtually disappear.

Jihadists are burning the whore with fire presently as in the example of the wealth that was consumed in the fires of 9-11, and other terrorist attacks around the world.

Many believe the fire to be a nuclear incident - Zechariah 14:12 making a compelling case - and this is perhaps how things end. But if the global economy went through total collapse, and money disappeared, food would disappear overnight, might all of the cities in the world then begin to take on the character of Detroit in 1967 and Watts in 1965 burning, within days?

The Jihadists are fulfilling prophecy unto this "time of the end". Casting their lot in with the scarlet beast. Supplying oil to manufacture and power the goods of the whore. And by all indications intending to engage in a war against the non-Islamic world - the Dar el Harb (or house of war) - until they prevail.

As some suggest, the Papacy - has and still does to some extent - reign over certain of the kings of the earth. But the greed and lust of fleshly mankind is what also reigns over the earth. The prime driver. As a result all of the governments of the earth are reigned over by the things of the harlot, modern Babylon, through greed and lust for wealth and stable economies, above morality, principle, and God's laws. Politicians are some of our most prime examples of hypocrisy and harlotry.

A lens for viewing the following chapter is found in verse 18:24 where we learn about the extent of Babylon the great: "...in her was found the blood ... of all that were slain upon the earth. It can hardly follow then, that Babylon the great can be a subject as narrow as the "Revived Roman Empire", or the Catholic Church, or the U.S. or any such others that are arrived at through guesswork theology. This also seems to preclude this as being as narrow as the apostate, or ecumenical church, or any future church of any kind.

Revelation 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

An ethnographic view of prophecy reveals the Islamic Middle East, Satan's religion and hate filled people, murdering saints. Hamas was elected to head the Palestinians.

The multitudes have drunk the wine of God's wrath in fornication with wealth and flesh, over morals, principles and God's laws, and what they know is right. Fornicating with the Harlot. The kings of the earth as being "friends" with Saudi Arabia for oil, for example - the Christian beheading capital of the world. Or buying Chinese goods.

Merchants of the earth enriched by the luxury items, booze, movies and media, recreational drugs, everything beyond necessities, with all of it dependent on oil for manufacture, powering and transport.

Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Repent and turn to the things of the next world - your eternal life - and leave those things of this one behind. Don't be included when God visits His wrath onto earth.

Revelation 18:7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.

At the extremes, multibillionaires as millions of others starve. Many Western Christians can't seem to see the suffering of the martyrs in other parts of the world because they believe tribulation to be a part of a "someday" as they expect John Darby's "great tribulation" - but only after their departure.

Revelation 18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong [is] the Lord God who judgeth her.

Revelation 18:9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,

One hour by the day = year language is a little over 15 days. If the Arabs simply nullified money by demanding gold, the global mayhem could make the whole earth look like Detroit and Watts in 1967. Imagine. No such thing as money. Riots in every city in the world. Who could control it? A couple of dozen national guard per each U.S. city?

What if there were no such thing as money to buy it with? Only barter left. With oil being on the short list of barter items in demand. Iran could trade China and Russia oil for nukes.

Revelation 18:12 The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,

Revelation 18:13 And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.

Revelation 18:14 And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.

Revelation 18:16 And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!

Revelation 18:17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,

Revelation 18:19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

Revelation 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast [it] into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

Revelation 18:22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft [he be], shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;

Revelation 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

The governments and central banks of the world are parading around in grand fashion as if money had value. Trading it among themselves in grand show. Loaning and borrowing, all the while inflating their phony currencies to the destruction of their citizens savings and accumulated wealth. Switzerland was the last currency to have it's gold backing removed - by referendum - in 1999. There may not be a single sound currency left on earth.

Interestingly, gold and silver are the only money in Islam (indeed the only constitutional money in the U.S. up until a little less than a century ago). All paper money is the money of infidels - the Dar el Harb.

In the entire history of the world there has never been a paper currency that survived. Today all the central banks on earth are in league in this fraud. The "Federal Reserve" that controls our national fraud has also been known as "The Creature from Jekyll Island".

"But the Emperor has nothing at all on!" Said a little child. "Listen to the voice of innocence!" exclaimed the father; and what the child had said was whispered from one to another. "But he has nothing on!" at last cried all the people. The Emperor was vexed, for he knew that the people were right; but he thought, "The procession must go on now!" And the lords of the bed-chamber took greater pains than ever to appear holding up a train, although, in reality, there was no train to hold." - Hans Christian Anderson

From Ayn Rand - Atlas Shrugged - "Whenever destroyers appear among men, they start by destroying money, for money is men's protection and the base of a moral existence. Destroyers seize gold and leave to its owners a counterfeit pile of paper. This kills all objective standards and delivers men into the arbitrary power of an arbitrary setter of values. Gold was an objective value, an equivalent of wealth produced. Paper is a mortgage on wealth that does not exist, backed by a gun aimed at those who are expected to produce it. Paper is a check drawn by legal looters upon an account which is not theirs: upon the virtue of the victims. Watch for the day when it bounces, marked, 'Account overdrawn.'"

Is it difficult to understand the difference in the intrinsic value of a 1 or a 100 dollar bill? It is painfully obvious that the only difference whatsoever, is in the distribution of the ink. The Federal Reserve (nothing federal about it) has more than once, created more new money in a 6 week period than the value of all the gold owned by the United States, even figured at fair market value.

On this chart you can see that the Fed is in the habit of producing more than a paltry 170 billion, every couple of months. But even at that pittance for gold reserves, there may be irregularities with treasury disclosure, particularly in terms of lending. How much gold would we need to buy oil?

Note that the scale on the left starts at zero. The total money supply hit more than 10 trillion. It would certainly have been impossible to create that much currency, but in the digital age it became simply a matter of number entries.

The Jihadists could accomplish global collapse in a day, by demanding payment for oil in gold. The area of the Middle East controls 40% of oil exports - without even counting Chavez.

1. In verse 17:9 we learn that "...The seven heads are seven mountains...". In other areas of scripture, "mountain" is used as a term for kingdom. Christian and Jewish scholars understand the seven heads to be successive empires - from Egypt and Assyria on up, that controlled the Holy Land and the middle east. To suggest, that the seven mountains are Rome, the "city of seven hills", with the Papacy and Catholic Church as the head of the apostate church, would seem to require that the seven heads wold have to be the same, rather than successive kingdoms.

2. In verse 17:12 we learn that " ... the ten horns ... are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These kings hadn't received their kingdom "as yet", that is when John was writing in 95 AD, so that eliminates their being kings that preceeded his writing. Also, each reference to these horns is qualified with a term like "shall", as in future tense to John. And we see them, apparently together, receiving power for one hour (or about 15 days, if the day-year interpretation is meant here)

3. In verse 17:16 We learn that "... the ten horns ... shall hate the whore,..." If the whore is about the apostate church, then it wouldn't make sense that a 10 region secular superstate would hate an apostate church except for the fact that they wouldn't recognize an apostate church from one filled with the Holy Spirit. Perhaps the whore is about the temptation that has lured men into the trappings of this world loosing sight of the next, like a focus on luxury items, big houses, boats, luxury cars and such idolitry.

If an ethnographic view is as appropriate here as it is in the rest of prophecy, Middle Eastern Islamic leaders not only hate the wealth and prosperity of the West, and the worldly and fleshly desires of the Westerners, but they also hate the Lamb and wouldn't even notice a distinction between the real, ecumenical or apostate church, because none is Islam.