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MAN OF SIN
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John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. 20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? 21 But he spake of the temple of his body. 22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.
So who is "that man of sin"? "The" 'Antichrist"? Nero? Mohammed?
2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition
"and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition" (link to this spot)
It would seem that "that man of sin" and "the son of perdition" are interchangeable, but who are they? The above verse is the only verse in Scripture that discusses that "man of sin". We will consider the only other verse that uses the term "son of perdition" later.
2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2 Thessalonians 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
"so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God" (link to this spot)
Can we get to know that "man of sin", the "son of perdition", better by finding out more about where he "sitteth" - that is - in the temple of God? Let's try the KJV search tool from the Blue Letter Bible to see what we can find out. Following are all of the verses that include the term "temple of God":
Matthew 21:12 And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,
This first verse is a reference to the literal temple that Jesus prophesied would be torn down - every stone - as it indeed was.
Matthew 26:61 And said, This [fellow] said, I am able to destroy the temple of God, and to build it in three days.
The temple of God referenced in the verse above is Jesus' body. John 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
The building again in three days is further confirmed by the following:
1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1 Corinthians 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which [temple] ye are.
2 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
So we learn that the bodies of regenerate believers are the temple of God. The above three verses are not open to interpretation. Scripture offers no other option than our bodies as the location of the temple of God, through Christ's death and resurrection. Nowhere does the Lord redefine the term.
2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
In our target verse above it would seem we are left with no choice but to understand that the "man of sin" may be revealed in the body of a regenerate believer.
The figurative language in the following two verses from John's vision in Revelation are sometimes interpreted to suggest otherwise, but to do so would nullify the truth of the verses that clearly peg the location of the "temple of God" that are not open to interpretation. This would suggest that Jesus' perfect and finished work on the Cross was incomplete.
Revelation 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
Consider an interpretation for Revelation 11:1-2, consistent within the traditional continuous-historic framework of prophecy on this link.
Revelation 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
We can see that the final use of this term - in Revelation 11:19 - locates the temple of God of that verse in the heavenlies which, would be consistent with Ezekiel's account.
That's it. The above are all the verses that use the term "temple of God".
Some claim that Ezekiel's book calls for a future rebuilt temple apparently because of the extent of detail. But within the context of that description we find: Ezekiel 43:7 And he said unto me, Son of man, the place of my throne, and the place of the soles of my feet, where I will dwell in the midst of the children of Israel for ever, and my holy name, shall the house of Israel no more defile, [neither] they, nor their kings, by their whoredom, nor by the carcases of their kings in their high places.
Are we really to expect God to live in an earthly temple, built by the hands of men, for ever?
We have assurance that He will not, in the New Testament: Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
Hebrews 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken [this is] the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; 2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
How could any man "desolate" any future rebuilt temple, that would necessarily already be desolate by God's own design?
As unimaginable as it may seem, some that readily recognize a new covenant and that the old waxeth away, and know where the temple of God is, are actually clamoring for a rebuilt temple where Jews would resume animal sacrifice. This would be a restoration of the Old Covenant and an affront to Jesus Christ and His perfect finished work and blood atonement for our sins (the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world). It would also fly in the face of a boatload of scripture. Here are a few examples:
Hebrews 8:13 In that he saith, A new [covenant], he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old [is] ready to vanish away.
Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Mark 12:33 And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love [his] neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.
Matthew and Mark tell us to look to Daniel the prophet for help in understanding of the abomination that maketh desolate - not to Paul. We learn from Matthew and Mark that we should expect it to "stand in the holy place" not "sitteth". We learn from Luke that it is Jerusalem that is desolated.
To believe that the temple of God resides anywhere but as the corporate body of Christ or even the bodies of regenerate believers, is a product of doctrine (Held by a minority of the church - primarily over the last century.). Jesus warned the Pharisees of such:
Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
But how can the "man of sin" sitteth in the corporate body of Christ?
Well we all know that there are none righteous and we are all sinners. So we know that Satan can have influence in Christian's lives. Even though we are guided to know what's right, sometimes temptation is irristable. We are not likely to find Satan at an atheist convention or in Hollywood since he already has them in his back pocket. So shouldn't we be on the lookout for Satan to be hanging around the Church, doing everything he can, to cart off Jesus' potential goods? Satan is the author of unsound doctrine. The "overcommeth"ing in the second and third chapters of Revelation is about overcoming unsound doctrine, not Satan - except as he is the author of it.
"Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God" (link to this spot)
1) Consider the slim majority of nicolaitan bishops in the Episcopal Church (ECUSA) "House of Bishops", that ordained a homosexual priest as bishop, who had divorced his wife, abandoned the home of his wife and two minor daughters, and was shacked up with his boyfriend when ordained, in spite of the requirements for Bishop clearly detailed in scripture.
Professing themselves to be wise enough to know better than God's Holy Word, they went exactly contrary to it regarding the qualifications for bishop, in respect to the individual they ordained. Did they exhault themselves above all that is called God?
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Were they acting as GOD? Taking God's place by rewriting God's Holy Word to conform to this world?
For those who aren't familiar with God's requirements for Bishop they can be found directly on this link to the BLB.
It should have been no surprise then that just as the bishop related scriptures indicate, it would seem he was prone to the "snare of the devil", as he checked himself in to an alcohol rehab center just a couple of years later.
While the church has been dead in Europe for much longer, the falling away, or apostasy of the Church, has been going on double time in the U.S. since 1948 and entry into Daniel's "time of the end", punctuated by the founding of the World Council of Churches in 1948, with stated socialist goals, is perhaps best known for spending Church funds to prop up tin-horn dictators and leaders of communist countries that oppress their people. Also marking the U.S. entry into the "time of the end" was the Everson decision in 1947 with the so-called "separation of Church and State" (had only been brought before the courts on two other occasions in the prior 150 years), followed by the McCollum decision in 1948, which ended religious instruction in schools. It is more difficult to see the falling away, or apostasy, if we believe that the man of sin is some indistinct individual feature of the future, as a result of our failure to understand where the "man of sin" sitteth.
2) Here is a very direct manifestation of this section of 2 Thessalonians. Speaking in tongues is a gift of the spirit. Some Churches understand this as a blessing, and with all appropriate gravity. In the summer of 2007 I visited a church that declares that speaking in tongues is the proof that a person is saved, an experience described on this link.
Some Churches view speaking in tongues more casually, but this is serious business.
THE BIBLE WOULD SEEM SPECIFIC ABOUT THIS.
1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1 John 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
If we don't test or "try the spirits" we are inviting Satan right into our congregation, and encouraging him to remain seated in that individual's temple of God, if the tongues are coming from unclean spirits.
Ask the spirit - not the person - to confess that Jesus Christ the Son of God IS come in the flesh. An atheist, Muslim, or evil spirit, can readily agree that Jesus Christ did, has, or was, come in the flesh, simply because it is a widely recognized historical fact. (More)
(Note: When tongues are to be tested in a born again individual, it is the spirit that has to be tested, not the person.)
Not uncommonly these spirits, that sitteth in the temple of God - the regenerate Christian - and right there in the congregation, are found to be unclean spirits. When unclean spirits are tried, and the spirit is thus found out, the person that had been speaking that tongue may fall to the floor in fetal position, with spastic convulsions, hands curled up, etc. Could this be explained here?: 1Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
There are some excellent sources to help us understand this spirit filled world in which we live. Read "Bondage Breaker" by Neil Anderson. This book is written by a Christian counselor regarding his years of experience with how evil spirits can haunt regenerate Christians lives, often unrecognized by the individual, and causing painful, misunderstood grief, in that person for years.
We also learn that many persons that house, and were well familiar with these spirits, thought they were of God and the Holy Spirit, when they were unclean or demonic. THIS IS WHY IT MAY BE MOST IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND WHO THE MAN OF SIN IS. These unclean spirits may enter as a result of severe abuse at an early age (MPD), by inadvertent invitation, and sometimes by ancestral assignment, if there were spiritualists or Satanists in the last few family generations.
3) More recent examples are some charismatic movements, and more recently Todd Bentley's "healing" ministry. As many as 15,000, mostly Christians, attended this evening event, with at least many thousands every night for months. Broadcast every night on God TV in full (except the end part where they shilled for cash).
One of his claims was that he healed an old woman in front of the stage by kicking her in the face with his "biker boot". Yet this went on for months heavily attended. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yN9Ay4QAtW8
Eventually his "ministry" crash and burned.
The bible instructs to go to your elders for healing.
Is it possible for "that man of sin" to be in a regenerate individual?
Satan is a pipsqueak. He can have no power over us if we audibly renounce him in the name of Jesus Christ. But if we underestimate his power, as feeble as it is over regenerate individuals, we might find ourselves in hot water. Let's explore just how.
4) Regenerate believers with multiple personality disorder sometimes have a host of spirits, some unclean, and some demonic, while others operate in the capacity of guardians, or protectors, doing their best to maintain order within the community of alternates. In the vast majority of cases these folks were physically or sexually abused at extremely early ages and created an alternate reality as their only means of escape. As many as 1 in 100 of us may suffer from MPD. The only clue for self-diagnosis by the sufferer is to notice that they miss large blocks of time.
"Shining Man With Hurt Hands", by Ellis Skolfield is about his online ministry that helped many poor sufferers with MPD, recover their monominds, through the power of the Holy Spirit. Mr Skolfield spent over 8000 hours in online chat with MPDs toward that effort. He worked with one sufferer that had as many as 350 alternate personalities. This book moved me more deeply than any book I have ever read. It will offer you a view straight into the spirit world. It is available FREE in PDF directly at this link: http://www.fishhouseministries.com/pdf/ShiningMan.pdf
Are some folks so doctrinally preoccupied with picking up a pitchfork in one hand and a torch in the other, running to and fro, looking for some future "man of sin", some - someday - "son of perdition", that they perhaps can't see him, right before them?
2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5) Some Christians don't hesitate to proclaim God's judgment on those of our devout Jewish Brethren, from whose eyes the Lord has not yet lifted the "spirit of slumber" (and for some will not lift it until the fullness of the nations comes in), and as a result don't yet recognize Jesus as their Messiah.
You will find no shortage in the Church that will state flat out that Jews are headed to perdition if they don't recognize Jesus is their Messiah. In my parents generation this would have been unthinkable. At worst they would have chalked it up as the mystery that it is, since they knew that the Jews were God's chosen people, and He had an everlasting covenant with them. But as the Church moved deeper into the falling away, beginning about mid-20th century, things changed.
Consider again the Christian doing the judging of our devout Jewish Brethren:
Romans 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable [are] his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
Has the Christian that proclaimed judgment on our Jewish Brethren "opposeth" by going directly against what we learn from God's Holy Word?
Did he "exalteth himself above all that is called God"? John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
And by so doing "shewing" himself that he is God?
Click this link for Strong's on "shewing" ("to point away from oneself").
"himself that he is God"? Does he take God's place by standing in judgment as God?
Has that regenerate Christian allowed Satan, aka that man of sin, aka the son of perdition (only other reference in scripture to son of perdition is Judas), to sitteth in his temple of God? Does it even occur to the 20th century Church to take an introspective look for the man of sin, or is it too distracted by picking up a torch and pitchfork and chasing after some future silver screen boogeyman?
6) When pondering the verses above, consider a Christian that proudly declares he is a "self-made man". While this may be a little simplistic, and perhaps seem somewhat unfair, consider how it measures up to scripture.
"shewing himself that he is God."
shewing
New Testament Greek Definition:
584 apodeiknumi {ap-od-ike'-noo-mee}
from 575 and 1166;; v
AV - approve 1, prove 1, set forth 1, show 1; 4
1) to point away from one's self, to point out, show forth, to
expose to view, exhibit
2) to declare, to show, to prove what kind of person anyone is,
to prove by arguments, demonstrate
When Christians make judgments in regard to other persons, particularly when judging the condition of another's heart, like Christians that tend to be "wise in their conceits" regarding our Jewish brethren for example, have we then assumed the role of God, since we cannot know God's judgments? When we judge others don't we exalt ourselves above God by so doing? Have we then seated the man of sin?
Romans 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable [are] his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
"the son of perdition" (link to this spot)
When we do an adjacent hermeneutic search http://blueletterbible.org/index.html for "son of perdition", we find the above explored verse from 2 Thessalonians plus one more:
John 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
Jesus is speaking about the apostles here, and not having lost any except - the son of perdition - Judas. Now "that man of sin" who will be revealed, from the line in our study, is also "the son of perdition". Should we consider that as being as narrowly defined as Judas?
I suppose we could, but might we then consider a broader sense of something like a spirit of betrayal, paralleling Judas works?
When we sin don't we betray Jesus? We can say that we didn't do it with malice, that we lost control, but isn't that just an excuse? Regardless of the temptation we are still responsible for our actions. The result is we still betray Jesus, because we do the opposite of what we know in our heart that He wants.
In the verse we find that Judas role was so that scripture might be fulfilled. Did Judas act with malice? Judas betrayed Jesus for money. Is it unusual for Christian men to betray Jesus for money in today's world? Pulling the fast business deal, making the fast buck at someone else's expense. What about gambling? It doesn't produce a nickel's worth of created wealth, and the only way one can prosper is through someone else's loss and expense. Did Judas betray Jesus because he expected minimal consequence? Might he have figured that Jesus would perform a miracle and get Himself off the hook? This becomes more considerable when we realize that as soon as Judas saw the real consequences unfolding he tried to undo the deal by giving the money back. Then when the full gravity of his transgression was realized and Jesus didn't save Himself, Judas hanged himself.
Consider the dishonest business deal, or taking unethical or unfair advantage of a person or group for money. Might this even be worse than Judas betrayal, since the party engaging in it knows full well what result to expect, which is dishonest gain, or he wouldn't have taken that advantage in the first place? And he then even goes on to enjoy the spoils - unlike Judas. What about cheating on a payment? Or even declaring bankruptcy against individuals or small business? What about the usury and manipulation via promotion and subsequent credit addiction, foisted onto the backs of the unwary by the banks and lending institutions?
In a broader sense, a Bible search reveals that Jesus is referred to as the Son of man, or Son of God, so who would qualify as the "son of perdition" better than Satan? Who "opposeth" and "exalteth himself" above God more than Satan?
Matthew 4:9 And saith unto him [Jesus], All these things will I [Satan] give thee, [Jesus] if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
This was Satan offering Jesus his own crooked business deal.
2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition
"except there come a falling away first" (Link to this spot)
Not long ago the Presbyterian Church not only divested of Israel, but it's leaders also went to meet with the leaders of the Islamic terrorist organization Hezbollah. The Anglican church isn't far behind in divesture of Israel. Look at the sad state of the ECUSA, or Episcopal Church U.S..
While some Christians are looking for a future falling away, I am over 50. When I was growing up on the northwest side of Detroit in a lower middle class neighborhood, parents worked hard to put food on the table and dress their families. My dad bought our first house with 6,000 cash, by saving up for it. Socializing was far less common than today, except perhaps in fellowship with one's Church. Folks might take a stroll and visit with neighbors up and down the block on a warm summer evening, and kids could be found visiting with a neighboring widow, enticed by the prospects of fresh baked cookies. The middle class was so huge it seemed like the whole world was in it. Norman Rockwell was painting images of our American landscape for the Saturday Evening Post covers, which must surely look like works of fiction to today's youth, unless, per chance, they are home-schooled and live out in the country without TV.
Everybody, whether Christian or Jew, and even the secular community, did their best to at least appear to be decent upright members of the community, regardless of their strife. Leave it to Beaver was a prime-time show. It taught kids valuable life lessons - particularly in homes where the parents were not especially equipped with the parenting skills - by exploring issues and circumstances that might come up in every day life. It warmed the hearts of both young and old alike.
Today's prime time is characterized by American Idol, where the whole world idolizes young performers. At sporting events they invite former famous players that the fans idolized previously, to appear in the flesh for their fans to idolize anew. Other idols include the next door neighbors Porsche, his fancy boat, motorcycle, or perhaps his nicer-than-thou's house.
Church attendance is down in many denominations, exampled by the Episcopal Church, whose nicolaitan majority in their House of Bishops ordained a homosexual priest as a bishop. Churches in Europe have been dead for decades with many being converted into Mosques. Catholic churches in the U.S. are also being sold and leased out for use as mosques. Religious "practice" for some that call themselves Christians, rather than being described by a dynamic relationship with their Creator, is limited to shuffling into Church on Sunday, or maybe just on Christmas and/or Easter.
As we moved into Daniel's "time of the end", 1948 heralded the founding of the World Council of Churches which is best known around the world for using church funds to prop up tinhorn communist dictators. The year 1947 heralded the Everson decision or so-called "separation of church and state", a concept that had only been brought before the court on two occasions in the prior 150 years ("Original Intent" - Barton). Close on the heels of Everson came McCollum in 1948 which ended religious instruction in school.
Matthew 19:14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.
In the Olivet Discourse as Jesus paints a miniature picture of the Christian era we find this apostasy in the Sun, moon and stars.
As we watch the Ten Commandments removed from courthouses, and public displays of relationship with our Creator banned, many Christians are sitting back in their lazy-boys watching Desperate Housewives, looking for a falling away at some point in the future - when we would seem to be in the heat of it - perhaps even near the end of it - today. Many may not see the falling away because they don't understand that the "man of sin" - the "son of perdition" - is setting up shop in their temple.
2 Thessalonians 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
And finally, here Jesus confirms that He said these things when He was still here, and since the only other reference we have to "son of perdition" is indeed in Jesus own words when He was here, in John 17:12, shouldn't we be satisfied that we did in fact find the right explanation? Unless, of course, we can't squeeze it through the filter of our doctrine.
2 Timothy 4:3-4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
(link to next page on antichrist)
LOOSED FOR A LITTLE SEASON (link to this spot)
Satan was cast down into the bottomless pit but was to be loosed a little season.
Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Within the linear-historic context, confirmed mathematically, the Christian era would be the period in which Satan is cast down and shut up, because Jesus defeated him at the Cross for all time, through Jesus' perfect sacrifice.
Interestingly, during the reformation there was a very high profile demonic possession in Europe, where the Catholic and Protestant Churches competed for weeks over restoring the afflicted child. After that there were very few accounts, over hundreds of years, until 1949. This was a high profile case of a St. Louis boy who was possessed, and this story eventually formed the basis of the movie "The Exorcist". Since the beginning of this "falling away" detailed above, and Satan being loosed for a little season, there has been no shortage of possessed folks both inside and outside the Church, and today books on the occult and the new age movement, outsell the Bible. The New Age and Satanist movements are huge. "New age" modern bible versions that use the corrupt Greek text written by the spiritualists Westcott and Hort, lard our Christian bookstores.
MORE ON TESTING (link to this spot)
The spirit that is speaking in a tongue through the regenerate believer, has sometimes been shown to be unclean as scripture warns. In this case, "the man of sin", "the son of perdition", the spirit of antichrist, is sitting in the temple of God, "shewing himself that he is God". Ask the spirit - not the person - to confess that Jesus Christ the Son of God IS come in the flesh.
An atheist, Muslim, or evil spirit, can readily agree that Jesus Christ did, has, or was, come in the flesh, simply because it is a widely recognized historical fact. If a spirit seems to be elusive and says something like "Jesus Christ did come in the flesh", or "I am he", try "Are you the Holy Spirit of God the Father who sent His Son Jesus Christ, who was crucified died and was buried, and was risen in the flesh, ascended into Heaven, and is seated at the right hand of the Father?"
I well understand that the man of sin concept presented on this page causes considerable difficulty with a major eschatological pillar, one that I too used to hold dear, but the verses that describe the location of the temple of God are the truth of God's Holy Word. They are crystal clear. If it doesn't fit our doctrine is it the verses that need to be repaired? Did this collapsed pillar stand under a triangular structure?
Think about it with reason. Do you believe Satan would rather see us look to some distant "some day", Man of Sin, (that we don't need to concern ourselves with because we will have already been raptured!), or see us engaged in careful introspective housekeeping in our temples of God, and walking humbly with our Lord?
Satan is in the Church whether we want to believe it or not. Read Revelation Chapter 2. All the "overcommeth"ing is about overcoming church false doctrine, not Satan. Maybe your Church is a remnant, that carefully follows the Word of God, rather than being trained in, and then blindly following unsupportable doctrine. If so you are lucky. If your's isn't why not try a home Bible study with others?
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